Episode 47 - Give Us Goosebumps with Cath and Linds
Today we have special RETURNING guest Catherine, my friend and associate at Coaching by LA. In this episode we talk about all things signs, symbols, auspicious meanings, taking direction from the universe, and tools we use to keep us on track in our lives. We discuss tarot cards, oracle cards, numerology, and general vibes we get from working with these tools. We give real examples, talk about the number "47" and how it ultimately kicked off this episode. You will love the personal spin, the relatable content, and most of all the true bond between us!
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Transcript
[00:00:00] Welcome to the Positively Charged Podcast. I'm a certified coach who's innately curious and loves discussing life, work, family, and everything in between. My guests and I are sharing how we step into our power and live a positively charged life. Let's dive in.
[00:00:24] Welcome. Welcome to another episode of Positively Charged. I am your host, Lindsay. And dear listeners, I have a special treat for you. I have the wonderful, the amazing, the incomparable, the beautiful, the inspiring, all of the above. Catherine, Catherine, Catherine, Catherine. Um, so Catherine, you are. A friend, a dear, dear friend, you work with me at Coaching Ballet.
[00:00:58] We have worked together for years. You've been on the podcast, you're returning guests to positively charged. Um, nothing happens at Coaching Ballet without Catherine. Catherine is the backbone. Catherine is the spreadsheet gal. Catherine is everything to me. So thank you so much for coming back to the podcast.
[00:01:18] Um, you're a wife, mom, badass, business owner, um, just like sparkly, shiny human being that I love to death. So thank you for being here. Oh Lord. Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. Dear listener. You should see her hand like waving. She's like, oh my God. Like, stop, stop, stop. But don't stop. But don't stop.
[00:01:43] Keep it coming. Keep it coming. So Cath, like, why did you say yes to coming on the pod? Well this idea came from our last episode. Yes. I feel like we had to do this again. So what happened? I was on episode 35. Yes. And after we recorded, I said 35 is one of my favorite numbers. One of my old, my favorite hockey player growing up wore 35 after he got traded.
[00:02:09] And you said, well, my favorite number or my lucky number's 47. And I said, holy shit. My favorite hockey player, same hockey player before he got traded was 47 and 47 has just stuck with me. So that is like my lucky number as well. And we both like what freaked out weird number. We both have the same lucky number.
[00:02:32] Like that's weird. Especially something
[00:02:38] we over that said, holy cow, we gotta do an episode. About lucky numbers, auspicious things, superstitions. Cause both Linds and I are very much into woowoo, witchy type things, we'll call it. Yeah. I don't have a better word for it, but yeah, it's almost like, yeah, like the paganism, um, vibe. Um, yeah, yeah. Like all that crystal, the things of the other world.
[00:03:06] Yes. Yes. Exactly. I love that. Like, the things of the of another world, like the Yeah. Um, the, the signs and, uh, tools that maybe connect us to something greater than us or something. Um, yeah. What I like to call the universe. Um, you could in, you could in say God or the other side or, um, even self, like the deeper connection to self.
[00:03:35] Ultimately. Um, just to echo what you said, Cath, we bonded over this kind of, Truth that we look to other things outside of us to affirm us and to give us direction, give us information. Um, I think we both do that, but I think all, like from our research, from our like, just understanding of these things, every single human condition, every single human religion or um, culture has these signs and symbols that represent something connected to the greater, the greater them.
[00:04:17] Um, even if you like identify as someone who's like atheist and doesn't believe in anything outside of our earthly plane, I think you can still at least understand that when you say knock wood when you're talking about something that you. Don't know for sure is gonna happen, but that you really want to be good.
[00:04:41] So you're like, oh, I really hope I win the l think I'm gonna win the lottery. Knock wood. Um, even if you're completely atheist and don't believe in anything else, you can still identify with that, that quick little sign, that quick little, um, I don't know, like action maybe is the right word that brings you back to yourself and gives you like the reaffirmation that you're looking for.
[00:05:05] And so when we got talking about all this and we're like, how the hell do we have the same number? And we're like, well, episode 47, a positively charged must be dedicated to Catherine and Linds. Like, so, um, have you seen like that meme where, or that video or whatever, where Snoop Dogg is like, I wanna thank me for all, I wanna put all the, I put all the hard work in.
[00:05:30] I'm amazing. Like this episode is dedicated to us. Yes. Yes. Catherine and Linds. It's, it's our, it's our lucky episode, right? Our 40. It's our or your 47th. Our lucky number. I like when you say because it's like, you're like, yeah, like you're like, dude, I know that this could not happen without me, the podcast.
[00:05:51] So it feels like our, but I'm not on every episode, so it's not our podcast. But you're involved in every episode. I'm involved. I'm involved. Yeah. Positively charged. Would not be here without you. So, um, oh, it's our 47th episode. And Cath, you talked a little bit about the number 47, so why you said like a hockey player, but where else has that kind of shown up for you, that number?
[00:06:15] Yeah, it, well, it started with that and I think what really drilled at home was when I was a swimmer, I made a deal with my dad. I was kind of phasing out a little bit. I swam competitively for 10 years and I was starting to phase outta the sport a bit and getting tired of it. And there's different levels of times you can get.
[00:06:33] So there's like B times A times junior national, so there's different provincial qualifications that you can make. And I hadn't gotten an a time for my age group yet, and my dad said, well, the, if you get an A time, I'll buy you a jersey with your favorite player, which he was wearing number 47 at the time.
[00:06:53] The next swim meet two weeks later. I got my a time, like apparently I was kicking my legs before I even hit the water. Like I was so like, I gotta get this jersey, I gotta get this. So I think maybe that's sort of what, like that significance to like getting that jersey tied to the sport, like showing myself that I could do something if I put my mind to it, maybe with a little incentive behind it.
[00:07:16] And then after that I just thought 47 everywhere. Like if I'll see it on a license plate when I'm driving, I'll see it in a house number or I'll notice it, you know, when it comes up. Like if my receipt ha is, I got a receipt once that was $47 and 47 cents and I sent it to my junior high best friend who knows all about my obsession with this hockey player.
[00:07:37] So it's just like I, I just started noticing it and I don't know if it means anything, like maybe something big's gonna happen when I, yeah. Maybe, you know, I dunno, maybe there's gonna be some more significance to it at some point, but now I see it everywhere. Yeah. And I use it on everything. Like my username always have 47, my passwords always have 47.
[00:07:57] Yeah. I love that. Somewhere, you know, like, yeah. So what I just heard you say that, that's the background there. Yeah. What I just heard you say is when you see that you kind of are feeling a nudge from the universe or feeling, uh, I don't know, like there's something more at play. There's something more happening.
[00:08:16] When you see the receipt for 47, 47, there's something more there than what meets the eye. Is that what you're saying? That's exactly it. And I think to myself, I'm gonna have a good day today. Must be a good day today. You know, like, yeah. Little things like that. I don't, like, I don't, I haven't assigned really much greater of a meeting meaning than that, but I, I do.
[00:08:34] So I still think, like I said, that maybe something big will happen with that num or down the road. Like maybe it's still to come, but it's, yeah, it's just always been my number. Yeah, absolutely. And like, ditto. Um, and I, I'll tell my side of that story too, but Yeah, you do. Um, when I first started, again related to sports, um, but when I first started dancing competitively, so I was a competitive Irish dancer, and when I started, I was, I was older, like I was 11, I think, or 10.
[00:09:09] And most kids start like their. Competitive dancing careers quite a bit younger. So I was in the beginner class with like all these like four year olds and I was like 10. Um, I love it. But my first competition, I killed it. Like I got, I wasn't competing against four year olds, just so you know. I was competing against other kids of my age in the beginner category.
[00:09:33] Um, but I killed it. Like I took first place across the board. I won a trophy, which in Irish dance, if you have any, any even knowledge of Irish dancing, like getting a trophy is like, like only like, it, it's not, it's not common. It, you don't get a lot of trophies. Um, so I got a trophy my first. My first, it is called a fesh actually.
[00:09:57] Um, so my first fes, I got a trophy. I just got first places across the board and my number was 47. The number I was wearing, I love it was 47. And I was like, oh, this is so interesting. Like, I remember telling my mom like, we, I think we were in Edmonton for this fesh and we're driving home. And I remember telling my mom, well, 47 must be my lucky number.
[00:10:21] And she's like, yeah, it must be. And then I kid you not every fesh for the next seven years that I co, that I competed was some sort of combination of a four and a seven. And if I didn't get a number with a four and a seven in it or some sort of combination, I wouldn't do well. And it was the weird like, and so.
[00:10:46] Dear listener, of course, this could be just like your own mind games. I'm not sitting here being like, Ooh, magic. I am saying like, there's something there. There's something there. Yes. Whether it's your own mind creating that or not, there's something there that, to the point where even when my mom and I would go get my number at the, like we'd go to the registration table and get my number, she'd be like, oh honey, no foreign, no seven.
[00:11:15] Dang it. Yeah. She, I'd be like, she was, oh, I'm gonna have to work extra hard this competition cause I don't have my lucky numbers. And I, it just kind of, it's pretty common in sports too, like I think, yeah, professional sports players probably have a lot of that kind of thing too. Yeah, absolutely. Like, and that's just, it speaks to our topic here of like signs and symbols that create a safety if for us, or create a yes or what's another word for that, cath?
[00:11:40] Like it creates something. What does it create? It creates something. Comfort comes to mind for me. Yeah. Like comfort. It gives me just like a little, I dunno, a little sign. That's the, that's the word I keep using is sign. Yeah. And speaking of signs, I have to interject with this. My swim meet that I got my a time in was in Edmonton.
[00:12:04] I just got chills over my whole god damn body. What does it mean? What does that mean? To listen to us? Listen. What does it mean? Yes. What does it mean? Well, to me it means we're kindred spirits. That's what it means. Healing. Like there's you and I, we're meant to at some point we're meant to be Ka. Yeah. You and I are meant to be.
[00:12:25] I think so. No doubt. I think so. No doubt in my mind we're meant to be. Um, yeah. Yeah. Like what you said was comfort. I think I said safety. Thankly. Yeah. Um, and it's like, yeah, no shit. Like the world is a crazy place. The world is scary. The world throws us curve balls all the time that we don't understand.
[00:12:47] So as a human population, I think we naturally look to sign superstitions, um, just like things that are out of this plane to Yeah. Kind of connect us to our path and give us meaning to what we're doing. I love that. Yeah. And I, I, the way I always word it, cause I always have described myself as, let's say agnostic, but spiritual.
[00:13:14] Yeah. And I've always said there are some things that have happened to other people in life, to me that seem too good to be coincidence. Yeah. Too on point to be a coincidence. And yet I'm very methodical in my thinking. I'm very analytical. I believe in science. I, I'm not very religious, but sometimes those certain things happen that you go, I don't know.
[00:13:46] Yeah. That doesn't seem random to me. Totally Cath. There's something inside you, like there's something, and I have it too for myself, but like something inside your, in your body, like in your meat suit, like in your soul. Yes. That says like, there's like knowledge in that coincidence, I'm using air quotes.
[00:14:05] There's, there's knowledge in that uncovering that is like, you can't deny it. Like you can't prove it. You cannot prove it. Exactly. You cannot throw science at it. You can't test it. You can't like, or maybe you can, like, maybe I'm just talking trash, but maybe like in my mind, you cannot prove those feelings.
[00:14:25] You cannot prove the reality that. The number 47 means something to us. Like, you cannot, you can't take it, you can't put it in a Petri dish and study it like you have it, but it doesn't mean it's not real. It doesn't mean it's not there. And I think that's like a universal connector. Like when we think about other, I don't know, cultures, religions, um, parts of the world, even geographically.
[00:14:57] Mm-hmm. Like there, everybody has, it's universal. Like it's universal that the human, human race, we look to things that we don't understand to guide us still Yes. In like in a bigger umbrella. And a lot of people call it religion and then a lot of people don't. Right. Like, and I'm not saying they're mutually exclu exclusive or like, I'm not saying anything about it, it's just.
[00:15:25] It's true. Like there's something true, there's something, yeah. That just elevates the human experience for us. And I think because there's so much unknown, like we have science, we have science that has proven certain things, but we don't freaking know. We don't know what happened millions and millions and millions and millions of years ago and how long the earth has been spinning around.
[00:15:47] We don't really know these things. I, I believe that maybe scientists would say, yeah, actually we do know more than anything, but like how would we know if we weren't around back then? So it's hypothesis. Yeah. Like yeah, we need to like it. Just a way to find meaning and purpose. Grasp onto something, you know, whether it's religion or believing in the universe or nothing at all, and saying, Hey, we're just here to live and die.
[00:16:13] Like some people have that attitude too, right? But yeah. And I wonder sort of outlook, if there's a listener out there who's like, I don't believe in anything. Like if they're really like, and I'm sure tho those people exist, like do you believe in love? Like do you believe in like knowing that you're with the right person?
[00:16:33] Like the one, like do you believe in knowing that you're soulmate soul? Like that? Yeah, yeah. Or like even friendship, like even if it's not romantic, like do you believe that there's like a kindred connection between even like humans and animals or humans and other humans? Like all of those things. Like you can kind of like the science part is like, Hormones and when you kiss these certain hormones go off or when you mm-hmm.
[00:17:00] Like when a mother holds her child or whatever, it's like hormones and, and like signs in the body. Reaction. Yeah. Chemicals. Chemicals, yeah. When you get angry and Exactly. Right. Yeah. But it's like, that is not what we're talking about. We're talking about the deeper knowing, the higher level, the higher consciousness that goes with that.
[00:17:23] And I think that's just so cool. Like you said you kind of like agnostic and spiritual. I think I'm kind of like that too. I don't know. I, I struggle with the labels a little bit personally, but I know that there's something more, something inside of me says that there's something more. Mm-hmm.
[00:17:41] And I personally look to like, I, I almost wanna say deities are like people that have come before us, or like God-like figures that have come before us, spiritual figures that have come before us to like, show us the opportunities in our world. Show us. Like when I think about like Rumi, like the, the poet, and I'm like, Rumi is a prophet.
[00:18:05] Like there's something about his poetry from like hundreds of years ago that brings me closer to a greater knowing or a bigger knowing, or a mm-hmm. I love that. A deeper understanding, but it's not in a rel like I don't worship roomy. Like there's no, there's no worship involved. Yeah. So I think that's, I don't know, like I'm talking trash.
[00:18:27] I don't know what the difference is, but I think fundamentally as human beings, we look to other, we look to things outside of ourselves to bring meaning and understanding into our lives. Yes. And it. So I wonder, Cath, like have, what sort of pushback have you met in your life on that? Like who has naysay you, or maybe not who, but what are the nays saying that you've heard about that in your life?
[00:18:55] Oh, that's a good question. I get a lot of eye rolls from parents. Say, we'll say one parent maybe more than the other of like, oh, give me a break. Or even my sister, like she's actually, I would say quite spiritual as well. Yeah. Um, but when I get going on my like universe, I swear like there's something happening today.
[00:19:15] Or the full moon is out. She kind of goes like, okay, Catherine. So I do get a bit of that, but I think I don't take it or feel it in a judgmental way. Like I think it's just like you do you, and it's the same way I view, I have some really close friends who are Baptist. I don't understand the Baptist religion.
[00:19:33] I was never brought up in a church. But it's like, Hey, that's you. That's for you. That's what works for you. And that's what. Guides you in your life. That's awesome. Yeah. That's how I view it. And there are some times where I, oh, does that make sense to me? I'm not sure it does, which is probably the same thing my sister is doing to me kinda thing.
[00:19:51] But it's, it never feels like a judgment type face for me. Like at least the people in my life have never felt fully judged or. Discriminated against her tics having pagan witchy views. Exactly. Exactly. Like maybe like Catherine, why are you in the tarot deck section of Indigo again? You have 15 decks. You don't need anyone.
[00:20:17] Oh my gosh. I literally brought, yes, I, I literally brought like a bunch of decks out today. Cause I was like, maybe we're just gonna get due reading in the end. Um, but that's an interesting point, like, Um, and I can say the same, like I have a lot of eye rolls from friends and family, like, oh, Lindsay, the witch kind of vibe.
[00:20:36] But you know, I think that's a, it's just another label. Like, I don't actually identify as a witch. Like, I'm not like, Ooh, I'm a witch. I'm the same. Yeah. I read books about witches and I read like it's an art, a witch, but to me, yeah, it's an archetype. It's like a woman who is connected to a divine understanding, um, and can bring those symbols and, um, intuitions into the earthly plane.
[00:21:03] That's kind of how I would define it. And it's, yeah, no, I don't like hang my hat on that hook. Um, but yeah, exactly. I think I, I was doing some card readings for, uh, um, well, you did one. But, um, for, to raise money for, uh, a long story short for a bench to honor my niece who passed away and doing these card readings, I was.
[00:21:30] Kind of like I was answering questions on Instagram, so I had a question box that's like, what do you wanna know about this? And. It's like, I think one of the questions was like, is this witchcraft or something? And I was like, no. Like, not at all. No. Like I don't, um, like there's no like hocus pocus vibe here.
[00:21:52] Um, not in my sphere of, I don't feel that vibe. No. But maybe some people would if they don't have an understanding of what the, or there's another, or that's, yeah, that's another type too. Like, Hey, witch is listening to this. We love you. We think you're cool. Um, like there's. There's absolutely like nothing wrong with that.
[00:22:09] Like if, if, if you identify with like that kind, I would call that. Um, well I'm not even gonna put a label on it cuz there's a lot of different beliefs that could like, fit into that. Like everything from like Wicca to like paganism to right. Yeah. Um, even forms of like, um, Catholicism and stuff like that.
[00:22:27] All kind of like funny and I know so little about that, so Me too. Yeah. When I say witch archetype, it's very different than Yeah. I haven't done my research on any of those. Yeah, same. And that and just like, I haven't done my research on Catholicism Baptist. Exactly. Um, but, you know, um, on Muslim, on um, Hinduism, on Sikhism, like any of those, like we're not really talking religion.
[00:22:51] Exactly. We are, we are in a way. We are in a way, but it's like that's not the sphere that we sit in. Um, so we're speaking from the i in our conversation. Yes. And like when that question like, is this witchcraft? I was like, I think the way I answered that question was what is like, like I answered that question with a question in the sense of what is your relationship with that word?
[00:23:18] Like it sounds like there might be, there could be maybe some judgment associated with like, be labeling. Could be Yeah. Someone, yeah. In that way. And my invitation to listeners now and like to anyone is that when someone wears a label and that means something to you, like that label means something to you that maybe isn't in alignment with you, ask the questions.
[00:23:43] Like, what makes that true for you? Oh, totally. How do you show up with this label? Yes. What does that mean? Um, and I think that gives all of us a more universal under, like when someone shows up as a, um, Christian pastor, like what does that mean? Like what does that mean to you? What does that label mean to you?
[00:24:00] And how might I honor it? As opposed to like maybe, Ooh, this makes me uncomfortable. Exactly. And I love, as I've gotten more mature, I will say in my teen, I came at all of that with judgment. Cause I didn't know, I didn't know who I was or what I understood. I felt judged. I was judging. And I feel like I've come a long way and matured in that sense.
[00:24:23] And now I'm very much tell me everything and I will take the piece that sound that resonates with me and incorporate that into my bubble of spirituality that I've been creating over. 37 years. Ooh. Like Boo Buddhism for me really resonated. There's elements of it. Like I read a whole book, the Introduction to Buddhism, it's still one of my favorite books.
[00:24:48] There were elements of it that I thought, I don't know if I can get, I understand that like, reincarnation and, and coming back in your next life, like, I, I don't know if I would add that to my bubble of spirituality, we'll call it. But there's certain pieces of Buddhism that just like spoke to me so strongly, and I won't mention them because I, it's been so long since I read them and I'd probably mess it up, but just very, like, it felt so realistic and so like, I can, I can buy into this.
[00:25:18] I love it. So I still like, I still think about certain things from Buddhism that I read about, although I would never call myself Buddhist or that I fully understand the ins and outs of it cause I really don't. But yeah, like you can both honor that tradition. And respect it and revere it. Yeah. And not be in it like, yeah.
[00:25:43] Yeah, exactly. Cause I, and, and not to say that I wouldn't ever maybe consider diving into it, but I just, you know, I never got that far. I just sort of took what we're gonna take with Christianity. Like, I'm constantly asking my friends, like, tell me more. Oh, like, how do you approach that sit situation from your perspective?
[00:26:00] And it's like, oh, I love that. Yeah. I wanna start doing that. Right. And I'm not saying I wanna join that church, but like there are elements of these religions and spiritual practices that are just so. So good and so beautiful, right? Like there's so beautiful. Yeah. You know what I just heard you say is that everybody's experiences and what they believe in and who they are and what they practice and where they come from and all the things that make them them are so beautiful.
[00:26:30] And there's parts that you would never uh, prescribe to. Yeah. And that's okay. And there's parts that you maybe would consider prescribing to, and that's okay. And it's like, I'm called to say like, it's around, like there's an inclusivity element here of like, we, if we can honor each other's ways, It doesn't matter.
[00:26:51] Like as long as we can honor each other, um, there's no, um, I almost wanna say there's nothing wrong. Like there's nothing wrong with all of us being different. Like if anything the exact opposite. Like it's, it's, it's required like we need and it's like we could probably go on a tangent about like culty shit as well.
[00:27:13] We could, yeah. But it's like, I'll leave up for you and Mia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay tuned. Listeners to, I think it'll be episode 50 where, uh, Mia and I go deep, deep, deep into culty shit of our zeitgeist. So like watch out for that. But it kind of plays to that where it's like actually the more, um, voices and the more.
[00:27:35] I'm gonna use the word influence. The more influence we have in our lives, I think the better our lives are. Um, like the more, the more differences that we can find. Like I, I, I thi I've thought about this a million times, but I've always really connected with people who are a little bit different. And I kind of like outside of similar that way.
[00:27:56] Yeah. We are similar that way. We are that way. Like you and I are a little bit weird. We're that weird? I am. I am weird. I am weird. There's no question. And I have always said I am not everyone's cup of tea. I'm really nods. Yeah. And they, I've found my other weirdos along the way. That's right. Right. So like I've always kind of liked people who went outside of the, um, I don't know, what's the word?
[00:28:20] Like, is it outside of the. Expectation, like societal expectations or like, you know, but I think actually even that's a little strong for me. I think for me, I'm totally attracted to people who lean into their own beautiful and uniqueness, regardless of their, that's who I'm attracted to too. Yes. It's people who are like unapologetically themselves to, regardless of what that is, regardless.
[00:28:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like my, like people who like didn't care what was in style and wear whatever they want. Mm-hmm. And like are always like, fine speaking up, even if what they're gonna say might turn a few people off. You know, like I've always been attracted to those people. Because it's, I, I, I want, for me anyway, I feel like that is what it's about.
[00:29:09] Like it, that's the individuality that makes us, that makes our world work. And like coming back to our topic here is like each of those individuals are going to bring a different perspective on signs and symbols and how those signs and symbols Yes. Make their world and let that interaction mean something to them.
[00:29:29] Like there's going, and we may not understand them, but this is a really interesting topic of conversation that you could bring to your family and friends is like, what are the symbols that you look to that create meaning in your life? What a good question. Like I, I, I think if either of us were asked that question, we would say, well sit back and, uh, wait and see what I have to say because there's a lot.
[00:29:53] And I think that's maybe where we can go with our conversation, Cath, is what you and I like. If we were answering that question, um, totally what that might look like. So. What are the signs and symbols that create meaning in my life? So for me, I look to an intuitive, sorry. Do you mind if I start? Yes, we do.
[00:30:15] I'm actually gonna ask you the question. Oh, I love it. Um, first rolled and ass, so go for it. I just rolled and asked myself. Okay. Um, for me, I default to intuition to give me, The signs and symbols that I need to create meaning in my life. So one of the tools that I use personally in my life to create an intuitive connection to the meaning of my life is cards.
[00:30:42] So we talked a little bit about this, but we bonded over this, but like, there's different types of intuitive card readings that you might, um, use yourself or like go get done by. I, I'm gonna use air quotes. A professional there really isn't like, professional. Oh, maybe there is, I shouldn't even say that.
[00:31:00] Maybe there are professional card readers. I have no idea. I'm not one of them. But I do sense that there's an intuition, a, a deeper sense of knowing that I connect with my cards. So there's tarot cards, which are like a, a deck that has a, a preset meaning that is a universal preset meaning. So tarot cards, They are, they've been around for so, so long, like in this 1600, 17 hundreds, that kind of thing.
[00:31:31] And they were used as like actual playing cards, like to play a game. And then it, it morphed into more of an esoteric meaning over time. Uh, kind of the, the. The revolution, the indie revolution in France and Britain, kind of like the artists bringing their, um, influence on these types of things. And truly, like the cards, each card has a different meaning or a different prescription.
[00:31:59] I'll say like air quotes are on prescription, but it's like if you pull the. Um, the empress, that is an archetype that has a meaning, and that archetypal meaning is just giving you information about the question that you asked. That's the simplest way to describe. So it's like if the question, if, if you have a question about your path, the question about your experience in your life, like, I'm gonna use a really simple thing like, Hey, I'm really wondering about my career.
[00:32:28] Like what is, what's happening in my career right now? What, it's not the yes or no question. It's like, what, what could the universe, what universal information could I get about my career right now? You could go to the tarot deck, shuffle them up, pull one card, and look up the meaning of that card and create an intuitive connection.
[00:32:50] So that's the, that's to me, like a signed symbol that creates meaning in my life. So when I'm really like frustrated with a relationship or with a part of my life that, so like career or family or whatever, like if I'm, or if I'm feeling like I just want direction, like I have many options in front of me and I think that there could be some direction into that, I go to my tarot deck, shuffle it up and pull a few cards and try to create a story around it.
[00:33:19] And so call it what you want. Call it universe, call it your own brain, call it whatever it is. But it, there's nothing. That can change that. There's words on this card, there's words in this meaning, and you can create a meaning out of it, whatever that means to you. So when I do a card reading, like when that, that you had Cath, it's like, okay, let's get some questions out upfront.
[00:33:42] So let's decide some questions together. So I think you and I had like, whatever, eight questions or whatever it's, yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And it's like, okay, like what energy do I need to embody to X, Y, Z? Boom. Pull a card. And it's like, explain the re, like what that card means, and then create an intuitive story around that meaning, and take what you want and leave what you don't.
[00:34:05] Mm-hmm. And then that gives that question an answer, whether it's the answer you want, whether it's the answer you don't want, whether it's like means nothing to you. It's still there. It's still out there in the ether. And you can take it or leave it. Everything to me, everything about signs and symbols is take it or leave it like it is.
[00:34:24] It is what it is. Yes. I totally agree. So tarot, the other types of decks are what I would call oracle decks or like sometimes known as like angel cards or something like that. But it's essentially a card that is an archetype or, or has like a word meaning to it. Mm-hmm. And a question or a wondering about your life.
[00:34:45] You can look to that. That deck that has like a, the one sitting in front of me right now, I have the divine feminine deck. So it's like if I had a question about my career that had to do with. Like direction or who I need to be or what kind of energy is embodied in that decision. I would go to that Oracle deck and say, okay, what divine feminine energy do I need to embody in that decision?
[00:35:12] Take it. So there's the, those are kind of in my sphere, like the two different types of decks. It's like tarot, which is like a traditional long-standing, um, yeah, like a long-standing meaning. And then Oracle, which is, it could be anything, like anybody could create an Oracle deck. Anybody could infuse it with whatever direction they wanna do it.
[00:35:32] So I've kind of talked about decision making and like the big picture stuff, but also I use cards in my day-to-day life. So it's like a card of the day. A card of the month, a card of the year. So every year in January, I do a reading for me and a reading for Trevor about what, what are we leaving behind, what is coming up, and what are the obstacles that are gonna be there.
[00:35:54] It's essentially a three card reading for the whole year ahead. And we pull some other cards just depending on, you know, what comes up. But it's like every year we do that, and every year we glean a little bit of that information from the universe. Air quotes around what might be ahead or what we're looking for.
[00:36:10] So that's, that's a more practic, or not more practical, but another practical way that you could use the signs and symbols in a tarot or oracle deck to support you on your journey, to support you in your spirituality or just even in your family life, your relationships, whatever, uh, whatever. And like there's a million, millions of those types of decks that you could, you could go to Indigo with us friends, dear listeners, and we can look for the different decks.
[00:36:40] Um, Yeah. So I think that's a big one for me that I use, I think. And, and Cath, I know you used cards as well, so I don't, I want to hear from you. I just, before we do another No, say say all of yours. Yeah, yeah. Another, um, kind of spiritual tool or like intuitive signs and symbols tool that I use. That was Jake Pod dogs.
[00:37:07] Like they just can't stop. They just can't stop. Oh, they're just so cute. Is ruins. So this is, um, these symbols are from the Viking era and each symbol has a meaning and identity to it. And I pull roons the same way I pull cards. So it's like, what three roons are going to influence this decision? And it's like I pull those roons like I have them, I'm gonna just shake them.
[00:37:36] For the listeners, they're like little tiny. Um, these ones are pottery, so they're like actual cast pottery. Roons. So love those. Uh, use those and each one has a meaning. And then I cr again, create an intuitive story around that meaning. So those are my main spiritual or like intuitive tools that I use.
[00:37:56] And then I can also say Crystals, essential oils, candles, um, you know, Uh, sense, like a sense, like, like, uh, essence sprays, all of those things that kind of, kind of just bring, even if I don't understand the meaning or like the whatever made up meaning that this Yellow Rock has, there's something energetic about everything.
[00:38:22] Every single thing in the world carries a frequency, and that's science. Like this pen has a frequency. And so for me, I look to the thing, I just intuitively connect to those tools that I think have a beautiful frequency. So there's something about crystals that I just think is, are very comforting, very beautiful.
[00:38:44] Like, it, it not necessarily like, Even the meaning of them. Like, it's not that, like when you think about pink quartz, it's like that's the heart chakra. That's, and there is science that the, the pink quartz has the same frequency as the heart chakra, which is the bundle of nerves around the heart. Um, so there's that, there's science around that, but it doesn't even matter.
[00:39:07] Like there's something comforting about a beautiful pink, like pink resonates with me. I love pink. There's something about that, that even if there is science, I just don't care to explain it. It just feels good. And so totally. Any who, I'll stop. I'll stop myself there. But Cath, what did you hear me say?
[00:39:24] And like, tell me your, your tools. I love it. You explained everything so well and what it's used for. I love that. So I also use cards quite a bit. I love doing a card of the month. I always do a beginning of the year one as well. I did a card reading with Linds, so if anyone's interested in card reading, she does an amazing job.
[00:39:45] Um, oh, and I was gonna add, when you did your fundraiser, I sent you $47. That's right. Oh my God. Cause I had to, I had to send, um, so yeah, so cards for sure. Neurology, I would say a little bit, obviously with like being so attached to one number, I feel like there's something there, although I don't. I don't think I've ever read a book on numerology or the meaning of numbers.
[00:40:10] Can I can interject like, yes. So I mean, neither I, I think I maybe actually have read a numerology book, but way in the past, like whatever. Um, but actually in preparing for this podcast, I was like, I just need to Google it. Like where does numerology come from? Like what is that? What is that piece? Yeah.
[00:40:26] And it's like it comes back to people creating meaning out of. Patterns that make sense to them. There's something universal about numbers. Like we all kind of like all cultures, all people, like we have an understanding of numbers in general. Like, it's like math is universal or something like that. Like right.
[00:40:49] In general. So when you and our brain loves patterns, so when we see patterns, we feel like it means something. Like even when you like pour out a box of smarties and it's like pink, purple, yellow, pink, purple, yellow, you're like, oh yeah, I love that. Like there's something about patterns and just like, even when you look at like color theory and like interior design and architecture, a good point.
[00:41:15] Mandalas, um, anything where we. Witness patterns, we connect to it. It feels energetically aligned cuz it's not a coincidence that they're there. There's something artful about it, there's something beautiful about it. So there's, there's that, and the numbers are universal. So when we see one 11, we're like, Ooh, yes, that feels good.
[00:41:36] It looks good, it does feel good. Cortisol, uh, or whatever, like good dopamine or whatever. Something gets released and we're like, oh, I like that. Yeah. And then in, it was actually pathis I believe, like, oh, I hope I'm not talking trash, but I was just reading this the other day, Pathis, I believe he was, uh, like a Greek, um, philosopher.
[00:42:00] I think he also did astrology as well, or like study of the, uh, stars. Whatever it would've been called back then. And he was the one who said that truly, like the pattern of numbers has, as, has an ascendant meaning, like has a connection to a greater meaning. And I, I think since then we've, we've looked at it to say like, numbers are not, or like, when we see those patterns, when we see those, um, like 1, 1 1, 1 or two?
[00:42:29] Two two. Two or three. Three through three. Of course. Shout out to Ellen Boston for 3 33. Her son Archie. Um, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll say it. Uh, I'll dedicate this moment to him. He passed away and he lived for 333 days. So whenever I see 3 33, I think of Archie and Eleena, shout out to you. But there's this, and that was a great episode.
[00:42:52] So go back, go back and listen to Elena's episode about, um, such a good episode. Yeah. Uh, about Archie and just his beautiful legacy. And the, that's a perfect example. Like, oh, I have chills now. Um, but that's a perfect example of connecting those patterns to something greater than us, something deeper, something bigger.
[00:43:12] And it's, and it's that context of knowing that it's not a mistake, it's not a coincidence, it's something more than that. It's like an internal knowing. So anyway, it sure feels that way. Yeah. It's sure, it sure feels that way. Whether I can prove it or not, that's not the point. Yeah, totally. I think totally.
[00:43:30] That's where I think the be a little bit more difficult to navigate how you feel or how you view something because you not, you can't always explain it, but you just, you feel it. You've said it a million times, like intuition. Like an intuitive connection. Like it just, there's something inside you that says this has to mean something.
[00:43:51] Yeah. And like, as you said, Nu numerology too, like I bring that into the card readings as well. Like there, like if we pull like the five of cups, like we'll look up like what, what does, what's the energetic meaning of five? Like, how does that show up in our universe? How does that show up in our understanding?
[00:44:07] And it's like, yeah, I think the naysayers are like, well, who made that up? Where did it come from? But that's the point. It's lore like, it's, it's not of science, it's not, uh, it's of storytelling. It's of, uh, passing down stories and culture over time in different ways. Mm-hmm. So the number five is gonna mean something different in different cultures.
[00:44:31] And it's like, okay, well what culture are you looking at? It's like, I'm looking at what my culture is. I'm just looking at what's available to me. Like there's, it doesn't have to be. Finite for it to feel true. Agreed. So, Cath, I cut you off so incredibly. No, no, that's good. We didn't, we hadn't even talked about numerology, so that's awesome.
[00:44:54] I should actually maybe look into it more, but it obviously means a little something to me. Yeah. Oh, obviously get attached to numbers. I get attached numbers too, so there must be something. Maybe we'll do another podcast just on that one time. One day. Yeah. We'll do some research. We're just talking trash listeners.
[00:45:13] One example of of numbers is in 2018, when I had my son, I, I always look up the baby name list just to see what popular names, and then 20, the 3D most popular name for boys was Austin. And that same year, the 33rd most popular name for girls was Claire. Which is my daughter's name. So they were both 33rd on that list.
[00:45:40] It was like, what? This is crazy. Like that can't be coincidence. That can't be coincidence that I chose those names. I mean, it would be even better if she was 33rd on the year she was born. But the fact that that year that I looked it up, they were both the same position on that list of top names, top 100 names or whatever.
[00:45:58] They were both 33. I was like, oh, so what does 33 mean when it comes to my kids? I dunno. I dunno. I was
[00:46:09] I 30 when I had, but I wasn't, I was 30. What? Wait, see here I am trying to make these connections. I, and I do that all the time. Like I'll see something like that and then I will like, whoa, my mind's blowing, and then I'll try to make other connections. Why, like, why do you wanna make those connections? How does it make it more meaningful?
[00:46:31] I don't know. I don't actually have an answer to that. To be honest, like, I think it just, again, it comes back to the word comfort for me. Like there's just something comforting and that's, and, and like 47, right? I, I haven't even been able to explain other than what the number, where it came from and that I see it everywhere that like, it's not like something significant happened on a 47, you know, like it's just very, the house that we moved to, like right after I started dancing, like the house that we moved to literally in like my childhood home number 47, like, oh.
[00:47:11] See, and I have a four, four and a seven in my address too. Yeah. Like, isn't that cool? I dunno. I have a four in my current address. Oh. And in our past, like in my childhood home, before that move I had a seven in that address. It's just too like, oh, just too much. Yeah. Like, it's just like listeners, if you could see my face, I'm going, eh.
[00:47:33] Yeah. Like I, I, maybe it means nothing, but maybe it means something. Maybe it means something. Okay. Like that for me. Yeah. Oh, so some of the other things, so numbers obviously keep coming up. Um, tarot cards, Oracle decks, um, crystals. Well, I have them all over my house. And I would say for me, rituals. Mm-hmm. I love rituals.
[00:47:57] Say more please. Just like mini ones. Mini ones For example, like when I put an address on an envelope, I have a specific way that I do that. I use a specific pen because for me it's just so like, it feels good. It feels good. I don't know, like that could be also part, just being a bit type A as well. If you listen to my last episode, that could be just part of my, my personality.
[00:48:23] But there's just like, for example, like that's, is it Danish? Swedish? Oh God, Swedish, I think. Yeah, I think it's Swedish. Danish or Swiss. I'm gonna look this up cuz I really don't wanna like offend anybody. You wanna get it right? Oh, that's weird for someone Type A. Oh, Danish. It is Danish culture. Okay. Um, so like the, just being cozy and making your house comfortable, like sitting under a blanket with the fireplace on reading your book, like rituals like that.
[00:48:57] Just make me feel so much better. And I don't know if that's a spiritual element's example of like this. It's something that you can't put your finger on. It's a vibe, it's a feeling, it's a connection. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. Oh, I love the word vibe. Vibe. It's such a, such a good word. It's, it's like, uh, like as well.
[00:49:14] Yeah. It's like that's a vibe. It's a it, and there is like an argument for it. Like there's science for it. There's, you know, yeah. There's all of, all of that, but it doesn't really matter because it's a vibe, it's a feeling, it's a connectivity that you can't deny. Mm-hmm. Like even if there's science Agreed.
[00:49:34] You can't deny it. Yeah. And that, that brings me back to what you introduced the topic of too with Kindred. That's another thing, like perhaps something I fully believe in, like Kindred spirit meant to be, like, if I've crossed paths with someone that's just like, like your relationship right from the beginning is just easy and fun, and you just click.
[00:49:55] It's like, I was meant to cross paths with you. I believe that, like I, I had that thought in my head after like, maybe a few interactions. It's like this was meant to be mm-hmm. Something, or someone put that person on my path. Yeah. So that's another sort of thing that I, that I subscribe to. Like, like a sign.
[00:50:17] Like that's a sign. Mm-hmm. Like when you meet, I believe a lot in signs. Yeah. So are there any other signs that you look for in your day-to-day life? I don't, I wouldn't say I look for them, but I sure notice them. For example, I was texting one day with someone whose cousin had passed away and she said, you know, and I said, oh, I'm so sorry.
[00:50:37] Like, I, I hope you're okay sending you hugs. And she's like, yeah, you know, like circle of life, you know, these things happen. And I'm sitting in Starbucks and the most dramatic beginning of Circle of Life comes on the speaker. Like from the Lion King? Yes. Into my ear. And it was like, holy shit. Like is it like Elton John or something?
[00:50:59] Like who sings that? Yeah. Like, and you know how it's like a pretty, like, I'm I'm doing that. It has quite a crescendo. Yeah, it has quite a cre Creo you Yes. As a non-music person, I, I can just describe with my hands, but you know, it was so, it was just so like, and the fact that I'd been sitting in that Starbucks for an hour and hadn't heard a single song, but all of a sudden I read this text, you know, and my heart's hurting for my friend and that song comes on and I just read those words.
[00:51:27] It was like, that's not coincidence. And I texted her, I'm like, holy shit. Like Circle of Life just came on in Starbucks. And she laughed. But it was like, so like I wasn't looking for that sign, but I noticed it. Like there might be someone sitting in there who's having the exact same conversation and wouldn't even have noticed song do.
[00:51:47] I, I see those things, or hear them or notice them, and then I like grasp onto it. Like, oh, that was a sign. I label it as a sign. How does, how does grasping onto it affect you? Like how does, what does it give you to grasp onto it? Oh, it just, yeah, that's a great question. It just gives me that feeling, like it gives me a good feeling.
[00:52:10] It gives me a feeling like, or someone's got my back or their back, like my friend's back, you know, like, Hey, I've got you, I've got you through this hard time. There's, again, I come back to the word comfort, like it just gives me this like comfort, peace of mind that like, and sometimes like, because I come from like, as I mentioned in my younger self being like judgmental and I was very like all or nothing.
[00:52:37] So I was, I was an atheist and I don't breathe in anything and da.
[00:52:44] I've come a long way from that. It's kind of given me that like there's something out there trying to tell me it's okay. Like you can believe in some of this without having an answer. Without knowing all, without being all or nothing. But I think there's a, a piece of it there that it's just a reminder.
[00:53:03] Yeah. You know what I just sensed in you just now was like, there's an invitation to be held. Hmm. I like that. That's cozy vibes right there. Yeah, that's cozy vibes right there. And like Cath, like obviously the listeners have an idea of what you're like and who you are and, and I'll, I'll say like you are very like accomplished, very intelligent, very like all those traditional, um, success.
[00:53:34] Indicators, measures like in our culture, you've got 'em like you're beautiful. You're one, like all of that. Oh, stop, stop. Oh, stop, stop, stop. Don't stop. But I think when you, it like those traditional success measures make you have to hold yourself like all, like those things create pressure, like mm-hmm.
[00:53:55] When you're really, really smart, you're expected to be smart. When you're really, really beautiful, you're expected to be beautiful. When you're really, really great mom, you're expected to be a great mom. And so it's like those expectations when you can. So like put the expectations in a little box here, and then when you see something else, like when you see something you can't explain, it makes you feel held by something other than yourself.
[00:54:18] Mm-hmm. Oh, I love that. I'm not, I'm trying not to tell you. That's what you said, but I'm asking, is that what you said? Does that resonate? I'll with you. I'll take it. I'll take it as, since you are my coach as well. And you know, the expectations I put on myself. I'll take it, I'll take it as Lindsay, the words of wisdom for sure.
[00:54:40] Or at least there's an invitation to maybe observe that when you're in your, the next time you feel held by something that's outside of you. Yeah. Perhaps you can observe what that feels like and how that's bringing you comfort and what it really means. And as you're saying this an interesting thought, like enough.
[00:55:09] Will I do that? Where it's like, oh, I can feel good right now and know that like, Hey, maybe this is out of my control. But isn't it funny as human when everything goes wrong, it's so easy to say, why me? I'm not handling this well, I'm failing. We don't look at those signs the same way when they're negative.
[00:55:33] Ooh. Like why, why? Yeah, why do we do that? Why do we do that? And I'm saying we, I'm, I assume, why do you do that? Why do you do that? Why do I do that? Why do I do that? I don't know. Maybe it is those expectations and that pressure you put on yourself or, um, yeah. It's interesting cause I will like, and sometimes I will be like, why
[00:55:57] another week of stomach flu and broken bones? And you like, you know how its mom life, right? I know how I, I do try and outsource it, but at the same time, I do find myself going, oh, why can't you keep up? Why can't you get this done? Why are you sitting on yourt stuff? Well, is all happening, so I don't find, don't take good signs as often when things are in chaos.
[00:56:28] Chaos mode, right? Like when, what I just sensed in you is, is that when things are hard or bad, or like whatever, insert descriptive word here. When things are not idyllic, like idyllic or whatever, it's hard to see the signs. It's so how might you find the signs that you're being held in those hard times?
[00:56:54] Oh, that's a good question. Maybe that's when you're supposed to look for them. Like I said, I don't really go looking for them, but maybe in the hard times I gotta be paying more attention. Yeah, there's sometimes for me, Cath, like, I didn't mean to turn the conversation onto you so badly. No, that's fine.
[00:57:07] There's sometimes, for me, where I'm going through a really hard time, then I'll just throw a card. Like I'll just, I'm like, what do I need to hear right now? That's a really good point. I do turn to my cards and some of more of the physical symbols. I put more crystals out. I go my cards more like I do more of that when things aren't as good.
[00:57:28] Right. So use the tools. Yeah, that's use the tools. Me too. Yeah, so like a great example of this is like, it's been kind of a struggle bus here at my house for the last couple months and I, one thing that I energetically did, one tool that I energetically used to get me through that time is I switched my daily jewelry.
[00:57:51] So there I have a specific, oh, I love that specific pendant that I've been, I just literally took it off yesterday and switched to this current necklace, but I have a specific pendant, it's green, and that to me resonates heart. And connected to the heart work. Um, it makes me feel safe to hold it and touch it.
[00:58:11] Um, my husband gave it to me after my second daughter was born. I was really struggling with postpartum anxiety at that time, and he gave that to me and it really helped me. And it's a crystal and it, I, I got tons of compliments on it during the last couple months for whatever reason. Like, I've worn it many, many, many times, but for some reason it resonated with me to wear that piece of jewelry and helped.
[00:58:34] And more people notice and more people notice. That's interesting. And that is an energy, that's an energetic thing that you cannot prove that you cannot. But it means something to me. It ultimately helped me. Whether you can prove it or not, you can. It ultimately helped me get through that. I'm still, we're still going through it.
[00:58:53] We're not on the other side of it, but like it's, it ju it helped me through the hardest part of that journey, the ascending shit mountain as I call it. Like I, as I'm descending ship mountain, I, I was like, I can take this tool off and recharge it, let it be charged for Oh, love it the next time I need it.
[00:59:11] And yeah, so that's an example is like using jewelry and it doesn't have to be crystals. Like, uh, jewelry's a big part of my experience of signs and symbols. Like I, I really do look to the types of things that I'm wearing to like give me energy and connection and also like, that's what you're outwardly presenting.
[00:59:31] That's what people are seeing in you. So yeah, there's, there's an invitation just to like show your personality as well through the use of jewelry. But it's like I have certain bracelets that I wear when I'm a little bit. Like needs some support. I have certain necklaces, like as I just said, um, that have different like energetic meanings to me.
[00:59:48] Yeah. Whether it's real or not. Um, it doesn't really matter because it helps me. It supports me. So that's another maybe tool. Um, like a spiritual tool or energetic tool. Yeah. A non-denominational energetic tool that I love anybody could use. I love that. That's such a good suggestion too, if anyone's looking for symbols and tools.
[01:00:09] That, and Catherine's interesting. You said like put more crystals out or whatever when you're kind of going through a tough time. I like totally mixed all my crystals up in my house in the last couple months. Like just, there you go. Yeah. You needed that change and shift of energy. Yeah. Just a shift. Like, just a shift.
[01:00:25] Yeah. And again, like, and you could even say that with like your decor, like change the way your pictures are. Yes. Or like whatever. Just to give a new energy to the space. I think that, um, Uh, that's kind of, um, funk or huga, like the kind of vibe as well. Yeah, exactly. Creating space that is energetically aligned to what you want.
[01:00:46] And that's ultimately for me, what signs and symbols are about is like giving you an energetic yes or no, um, toward what, where you're going and what you're doing. A perfect example of this is before we hit record, I pulled two cards for our conversation. The first one, dear listener, I can only just describe it to you, is two monkeys.
[01:01:07] There's no words on this card. It's, it's from, uh, it's from a deck. Um, oh, I forget the name of it. The deck of Plenty is the, is what it's called, um, by, uh, Chaney Nichols. And it's. Literally like the card is two monkeys sitting on a white piece of paper coloring with crayons. Like that is the card. And it's like, okay.
[01:01:31] And then I, I was like, okay, there's no words on this, so I'm gonna pull another one. And that card says, humor is a life raft. This in the seas of self importance. And it's like this monkey card represents kahan. I, to me, like as soon as I pulled, told it, I was like, us to a tea, this is us. And then, The humor is a life raft and the seas of self importance.
[01:01:51] That's so us too. Like just, oh yeah, come at this with levity, come at this with, you don't have to be the expert. Like just a couple days ago we met and we're like, what are we gonna talk about? Like, we need to get clear. And it's like, meh, we're not self important. We don't need, we don't need to be. Um, we can just talk about our experiences and like have that levity, that humor.
[01:02:12] We can laugh and just connect and that will be enough for our episode. And we do laugh a lot together, like we do, even if we're getting together and life is shit at the time for one of us, or both of us. Like, we end up laughing for like half our conversation, you know, like, yeah. Yeah. Humor is important.
[01:02:28] It's important. Humor is important. And so when I, when I pulled that for us just now, it's like that's a sign. That's a sign that we're on the right path, that we're doing the right thing. And yeah. And like, dear listener, that could be you. Like you can look to, regardless of your. I am gonna say, regardless of your faith, regardless of what you believe in or don't believe in, you can look into the ether, you can look into the world for signs and symbols that tell you you're on your path, and there's an invitation here for you to do that.
[01:02:59] And just connect with that to yeah. Support you through whatever you're going through in your life. And I want listeners, yeah. When they listen to this episode, go to Lindsay's Instagram and if you want, comment on what signs and symbols mean something to you. I would love to know what people listening to the believe in or, you know, use as tools totally.
[01:03:22] For their, for their journey. Let's create a little bit of a, I don't know, a handbook. A handbook for, yeah. Um, how you might support yourself through signs and symbols as you move through the good things and the hard things. Um, yes. Listen to Catherine people. She's the smart one. So go to the Instagram, comment on the, the, the post that I announced this episode, I'll probably put a question box as well and tell us what are the signs and symbols that you see and what are the examples?
[01:03:52] Like, we gave a bunch of examples today, but like those stories that are like, you can't explain them. It's something bigger than you. It's something, give us goosebumps. We give us goosebumps, goosebumps. Love Catherine, the story. Give us goosebumps. That is exactly, I almost wanna call this episode. Give us goosebumps.
[01:04:15] What happened in our time today? What, what happened on the pod? So much fun. That's what happened. Fun. Two monkeys coloring. Two monkeys Coloring. Yeah. Us just being us. Oh my gosh, so much. Ditto. Yeah. Like two monkeys coloring. Isn't that the way? Um, Cath, as always, I am grateful for you, uh, for our friendship, for everything we have together.
[01:04:41] So grateful. You are amazing. Thank you so much for coming to the show. And if an auspicious number comes up, Uh, later on and you're like, we need to do episode, do, do, do. Um, you just let me know because that would, uh, make my heart sing. So yeah, me too. Thank you so much, uh, to listen. Listeners, we will see you next week.
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